Sydney Roosters

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by Freddy, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. Cribbage RG Cribb

    I actually don't think RTS is that good yet but I definitely think he will be. Obviously he's a strong runner in the top half of NRL fullbakcs but I've seen enough things in the weaker parts of his game to suggest he might do a Hayne a couple of seasons down the line.
     
  2. Toolman TR Man

    His metres and step allowing him to never really get pushed back so every set is starting on the front foot is invaluable.
     
  3. Magic AJ Parker

    I haven't argued because I still haven't figured out if you're trolling yet or not. Comments like Trent Robinson will be under pressure if they start poorly surely have to be taking the mickey.

    I'll entertain your similar player theory then, list the large number of players capable of what RTS produced in his first year at fullback:
    215 mpg (1st in NRL)
    21 LB's (4th in NRL)
    16 TA (13th in NRL)
    18 LBA (8th in NRL)
    148 TB's (2nd in NRL)

    Remember they key word being capable, I don't expect you to list players who have proven they've done it but list "the large number" of fullbacks who you think can match the early set carries, transition to attack sets and then good ball zone work that RTS showed in his rookie fullback year and that includes obviously both his workrate and quality.
     
  4. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    No, I'm absolutely not.

    I never said anything about matching him across a variety of statistics. I said he can be readily replaced given his type of player and implied Easts would still function relatively well. Hence why they were able to be successful with that laughable muppet Minichiello. That example alone shows my case is legitimate. RTS is a hard-working, strong ball-carrying fullback of the traditional ilk. He isn't Matt Moylan or Jarryd Hayne. His strongest assets are his work rate and his ability to break tackles. Those are not rare commodities in the world of fullbacks. If you think they are, then we're at an impasse.
     
  5. Magic AJ Parker

    No, you just said he was easy to replace because you refuse to acknowledge everything he provided to the team this year, instead preferring to categorise him into a pre-conceived generalisation of a fullback.

    Put the list up or quit with the spin doctoring, it's nauseating.
     
  6. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Oh and you'd never do that would you? lol are you fucking serious, cunt?

    He's a traditional fullback with a high work rate and he breaks a lot of tackles. His loss will be felt if Maloney's replacement isn't up to scratch. If he is, they'd get by with Daniel Vidot.
     
  7. Magic AJ Parker

    I was waiting for you to say Nathan Gardner so I could laugh you out of this thread but Daniel Vidot is even better.

    Fair play, I bit.
     
  8. GYR DW Lewis

    FMD it's like you both reply to each other because you want to get your dicks wet which for you is arguments over nothing
     
  9. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Nah it's true. They're comparable in terms of what they offer a particular side. If he had some genuine, reliable ability to manufacture points or he could kick, then I'd say you've lost someone who would be extremely difficult to replace. But he just isn't. He's a bloke who can be replaced with someone who can do everything he can just to a lower standard. Ala Minichiello. Ala Brett Stewart. Ala Josh Dugan and so on. The comp is full of them.

    And I don't begrudge them. I actually prefer the traditional fullback in the more traditional setup where the halves manufacture the points. I'm just not in the habit, as practically everyone else seems to be, of overvaluing what this sort of fullback actually provides a side.
     
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  10. Magic AJ Parker

    :lol::lol:

    GTFO, I'm gonna bust a rib.
     
  11. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Early set runs, work from own end, tackle breaks and metres, they're all comparable. If you want to confuse all of this with me saying Vidot is as good as or comparably good with RTS, you can but it's just dishonest.

    His ability to lay on tries is as average as it gets. What facets does he have that any other traditional fullback doesn't, which would justify this fawning?

    The fact that you didn't feel the need to mention anything about error rate, defence, and positional play is quite instructive. That's pigeon-holing right there. You post a slew of stats, all of them attack-based, and all of the ones which are notable - mpg, line breaks and tackle breaks speak to the argument I've put forward.

    You're arguing against yourself here.
     
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  12. Magic AJ Parker

    Daniel Vidot a comparable fullback to RTS :lol:

    Just quit now.
     
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  13. Magic AJ Parker

    All this make-shift fullback talk reminds me how extremely worried I am about the ever increasing possibility of Ferguson being our fullback next year.

    Can't say I remember his games for Canberra at fullback but they unsurprisingly never seem to get a good review from those who do. He's just such a loose cunt.
     
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  14. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Of the facets you felt pertinent to mention, none of which included reliability, yes they are. Statistics from his time on the wing substantiate it. I'm not saying they're comparable fullbacks. Vidot has shit hands, can't tackle, can't pass and god knows what his positional play would be like, but you didn't mention any of that now did you? Nah you didn't. The only thing you hinted at was his ability to create ala assists and he's fucking average at it.
     
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  15. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I'll wager something with you, Magic. If you and I roughly agree about how Hastings and Pearce go together over the first 10 rounds, and it's, let's say "quite well" then I'll bet you nobody hardly mentions a peep about RTS not being there, whether it's Ferguson or Mitchell or fucking Kenny-Dowell for all I care. If they don't, then that's when the knives will come out.
     
  16. Toolman TR Man

    Who's that mormon we signed? forgot to click on the news link
     
  17. Magic AJ Parker

    Paki Afu, used to play 20s for the Dogs. Then made the mistake of of signing for Parra.

    One of POS's project players, he signs a couple every year. Seems to have a pretty decent strike rate too tbf.
     
  18. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yeah Ferguson was terrible at fullback at Canberra. I'd be surprised if he was quite that bad long term but god it was awful.
     
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  20. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    I've really missed the MF&Magic show.
     

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