New Sim (v2)

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  1. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Also, two evenly matched teams, the team throwing the line out are winning about 65% of their own line out. Sound reasonable?
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  2. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    What is the the likelihood of this sim getting more 20-40% of the way through a season before disbanding?
     
    Sultan Pepper, Apr 19, 2011
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  3. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    With me running it, very high.

    The bigger issue is whether I have the time and ability to actually build a working sim.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  4. Escath LE Schaw

    I would say it should be slightly higher. 65% just seems a bit low to me, but I could be totally wrong.
     
    Escath, Apr 19, 2011
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  5. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    I should add, that the opposing team are not winning 35%

    The split is currently about 65/30/5

    Attacking Team/Defending Team/Infringement in the Line Out.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  6. Farny AP Farnsworth


    I think that figure is too low. A lineout running on 65% would definitely be considered a poor lineout. I'd usually expect closer to 80%.

    To put it into context, the London Irish lineout, usually the best in the premiership here, nearly always runs at over 90%.

    Also, Eds mentioned that the openside is usually the first man to the breakdown on opposition ball, before the blindside. I'd have thought this was pretty obvious, given that teams attack the open side a lot more than they attack down the blind side...
     
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    Farny, Apr 19, 2011
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  7. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Tweaked lineout to more like: 75:18:7
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  8. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Well, whilst helpful, this isn't too relevant as I'm comparing two teams of identical line out ability with this at the moment. 75% to the attacking team sounds much more realistic than 65% though.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  9. Escath LE Schaw

    Sounds a lot better to me. How does that 20% and 8% not straight throws you mentioned earlier factor into the 7% though?
     
    Escath, Apr 19, 2011
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  10. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    :wacko:
     
    Sultan Pepper, Apr 19, 2011
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  11. Farny AP Farnsworth

    To be fair, I'd suggest that this isn't actually how it works, and that it's not possible to give a figure for this. Two opposing teams with very well drilled lineouts would generally retain more of their own ball than two teams with poor lineouts, even though both matches are between opponents of identical ability. Probably not worth taking that into account for the purposes of this sim though.
     
    Farny, Apr 19, 2011
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  12. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Yeah, this is a fair point. The way I've built it, it does a check on the skill of the hooker first and if they fail, then the line out will fail (either through not being straight or a poor throw). Ignoring the hooker, and assuming a decent throw has been made - how often do the opponents pre-empt the throw and manage to steal?

    Maybe it's not worth worrying about yet; see how it works in practise and go from there.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  13. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    As mentioned, the Line Out breaks down into two phases. The sim does a skill check on the hooker first before deciding whether to do do a proper line out check.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 19, 2011
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  14. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    Just thought I'd chuck in some massive props for Heef doing all the hard work here. I'm pretty keen to see some stuff happening here ey!
     
    stupersteve03, Apr 19, 2011
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  15. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Just a quick check here. If the lineout throw isn't straight, then the next play is a scrum with the feed to the team who weren't throwing in. Also, if a scrum collapses, it (normally) just gets reset. Feed to the team who were originally feeding?
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 20, 2011
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  16. Eds E Ames

    All correct.
     
    Eds, Apr 20, 2011
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  17. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Sweet. Getting somewhere. The engine is now properly simulating a scrum, can decide what the resulting play will be based on the outcome and will calculate a gained yardage based on the dominance at the scrum.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 20, 2011
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  18. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Infringement at the lineout ---> Penalty?

    Who is more likely to infringe at the lineout? Presumably the team not throwing?
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 20, 2011
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  19. Eds E Ames

    (Assuming you're not counting a not straight throw as an infringement here, as you've covered that previously)

    Yeah, it'd be a penalty.

    Very, very rarely happens though. But yeah, the team with the ball hardly ever infringes.
     
    Eds, Apr 20, 2011
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  20. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Yeah. You see a case of line out interference about once every 5-10 games I guess. Anyway, I've built it in - seems to be occurring a little bit too frequently at the moment, but I'll make sure when it does happen ---? Penalty to Attacking Side.

    Sim now has up to 10 phases that can happen in a row and they're all feeding each other. The only plays built at the moment are scrums and line-outs though, so we're still a long way away, but I do think this is going to be possible.
     
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    HeathDavisSpeed, Apr 20, 2011
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