FA Cup vs 4th Place?

Discussion in 'Association Football Discussion' started by Baxter, Apr 4, 2013.

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Which would you rather?

  1. Champions League Football

    16 vote(s)
    61.5%

  2. FA Cup

    10 vote(s)
    38.5%
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  1. loganb JEM Logan

    We have those finals because that's what makes the cup magical - the upsets. Granted, weaker sides a fielded, but only really in the beginning rounds, and a lot of the time, the teams in lower divisions are the ones making more changes, unless they're up against a really big team.

    Also, plenty of teams have played weakened sides in te Champions League... Does that mean that the Champions League is therefore not a first rate competition? No. Plenty of teams have to play weakened sides in every competition they play in, probably bar international sides. Who don't always have the best team available to them anyway.
     
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    loganb, Apr 5, 2013
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  2. Baxter MJ Deane

    No and no
     
    Baxter, Apr 5, 2013
    #82

  3. loganb JEM Logan

    Possibly the best, most contributing post you could have made in the circumstances. Congratulations, have a sticker for your overpowering bluntness and clearly far superior knowledge.
     
    loganb, Apr 5, 2013
    #83

  4. Baxter MJ Deane

    What does that first sentence even mean?
     
    Baxter, Apr 5, 2013
    #84

  5. Baxter MJ Deane

    I see you've now edited your original post. I challenge you to find me a team who has made willingly made wholesale changes for a champions league fixture that was not a dead rubber.
    Rotation occurs, I shall concede.
    Using Arsenal as an example, we have made 11 changes before for FA cup games which has never, ever happened in the CL.
    Lower league teams make changes due to smaller squads and fixture congestion. Larger sides make changes because they dgaf and the best sides who enter having that attitude devalues the competition as a whole.
     
    Baxter, Apr 5, 2013
    #85

  6. loganb JEM Logan

    I edited it, and all I did was add on the second half. As an admin, you'll be able to see that, and any other admin will be able to confirm. Ah sorry, I think I've misinterpreted what you meant. I think you mean I've given you something else to reply to?


    Yes, granted, it is a very rare occurrence that a team will make more than say 7 changes for a Champions League game, fair enough.

    Well you can't use that as an example, as it's an extremity. That's like me saying that all humans should be able to hold their breath underwater for longer than 15 minutes, just because Stig Severinsen can do it for 22 minutes. Stig doing that for 22 minutes is an extremity, and it doesn't happen very often. The same way a team doesn't change their whole team for an FA Cup game very often. It does happen, but very very rarely, and managers have been challenged about doing it.
     
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    loganb, Apr 5, 2013
    #86

  7. Callum CJ Laing

    I'd say the don't give a fuck attitude exists less for the FA Cup than the League Cup
     
    Callum, Apr 5, 2013
    #87

  8. Arheiner SIA Yates

    The FA cup has lost all meaning over recent years sadly. Wasn't so bad when good teams thought it was worth winning and playing full-strength teams, but now even the semis are jokes most years.
     
    Arheiner, Apr 5, 2013
    #88

  9. Baxter MJ Deane

    Nobody has said anything to the contrary
     
    Baxter, Apr 5, 2013
    #89

  10. mouse MJ Edwards

    Winners of Fa cup to get a Champions League place? Wont happen but people would take it a hell lot more seriously.

    Still love the fa cup and still gutted we lost in the final last year.
     
    mouse, Apr 5, 2013
    #90

  11. Arheiner SIA Yates

    Always been a strong supporter of that idea.
     
    Arheiner, Apr 5, 2013
    #91

  12. GIMH GIMH Martyn

    Do they? It's very uncommon.

    We played our best available XI against Braintree Town in the 1st round, there were 70 league places between us. When we went 2-0 up, we then subbed off some key players and gave youngsters a run out - but that's happened plenty in league games where the lead has been comfortable.

    Our captain, James Wallace, got himself injured in the 2nd round, at home to League 2 Chesterfield. He's missed the rest of the season and he would probably have been the difference between our current position & automatic promotion, being the division's best midfielder and all.

    But there is no suggestion that he shouldn't have been playing.
     
    GIMH, Apr 5, 2013
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  13. Farhat AM Farhat

    So then why buy a season ticket. Just buy a ticket to one game and use that analogy.

    It's nothing to do with the money. If it were a Champions League game the stadiums would be full.
     
    Farhat, Apr 5, 2013
    #93

  14. GIMH GIMH Martyn

    That's not true. The year Liverpool won the CL, I remember their group game V Monaco had nearly 10,000 empty seats, and it's fairly common.

    Anyway. I can understand why clubs who are in the CL year in, year out, would prioritise a Top 4 finish. Their models of operation come to rely on Champions League football; you only need to see the mess Liverpool have found themselves in over the past few years to quantify that.

    But that being said, it's years since Arsenal won anything and I'd be surprised if a large chunk of their fans wouldn't yearn for a trophy this season more than being back in the CL to not win it again, next season.
     
    GIMH, Apr 5, 2013
    #94

  15. Magrat Garlick M Garlick

    Question about attendance stats: do the season ticket holders count even if they don't turn up?
     
    Magrat Garlick, Apr 5, 2013
    #95

  16. GIMH GIMH Martyn

    Nope.
     
    GIMH, Apr 5, 2013
    #96

  17. Furball G Furball

    Nope.

    Form over 38 games is more deserving than form over 6 games.
     
    Furball, Apr 5, 2013
    #97

  18. Furball G Furball

    Depends on the club.

    Celtic count them.
     
    Furball, Apr 5, 2013
    #98

  19. PienaarColada DH Mulray

    I'm fairly sure Everton count them as well.
     
    PienaarColada, Apr 5, 2013
    #99

  20. Baxter MJ Deane

    Well that just strengthens my point
     
    Baxter, Apr 6, 2013
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