If the FA Cup isn't second rate then explain why more people will watch a League clash between say, Everton and Swansea, or Tranmere against Sheffield United, than if they were to draw each other in the cup?
Have you got the viewing numbers, have you? For TV? Cause I'm 100% sure that if Everton vs Swansea was the semi-final of the FA Cup, more people would be watching that than Everton vs Swansea in the league. No question.
Nah look, I don't agree that it's second rate but he's right about the viewers. We wouldn't get as many through the gate against Sheff U in the Cup as we do in the league, at least not in the early rounds. This is because season ticket holders choose not to spend their money when cup games come around, in my experience.
I'd much rather see a random FA Cup game than a Premier League game tbh. Mind you, some of that could be that the FA Cup was the only domestic stuff on terrestrial TV when I lived in the UK.
That's hardly a judgement. The reason there are less viewers is simply because of season ticket holders. Simple. If you're a season ticket holder for a premiership, championship or even league one team, are you really gonna want to pay extra money, on top of the price of your season ticket, to watch your team play against a team who are in a worse division than your own?
Argument is flawed though, by virtue of the fact he used games which happen in the league as his examples.
I'm not talking about worse divisions, I'm talking about playing clubs in the SAME division in the cup. League games pull in more punters than cup games because the cup is an inferior good.
Ah that's true. Even so, if your team comes up against a team in your league, why would you pay extra on top to go and watch it, when you can watch it at another time for free? Only other reasons would be if they're a team you enjoy watching, or if you're missing the other game in the league and don't mind spending the extra on another game. Either that, or it's the quarter final or later in the competition.
Like I said, it's still down to season ticket holders. They have to pay extra to see a game that they can see at another time without having to pay extra on top of the season ticket. Who wouldn't say yes to that, unless it's a team they like, etc, like I said in my other post.
You're not watching it for free, you're choosing to pay money to watch Everton v Swansea in the Premier League or Everton v Swansea in the FA Cup. More people choose the former option.
Not necessarily. The crowd number isn't as high, no. But you have to look at season ticket holders. Everyone pays extra to watch a cup game, whereas season ticket holders don't to watch a league game. If they've bought the season ticket, obviously they're going to go then rather than to a cup game. Therefore, the attendance will naturally be less for a cup game than a league than. That doesn't mean that more people choose to watch a league game.
The fact that season ticket holders - who'll have paid in excess of £400 for their season tickets in a lot of cases - won't pay to watch one FA Cup game kind of backs up my point.
Yes and no. I don't have a season ticket and went to the home cup games this season (and some away). If I was a season ticket holder, I might have to consider not paying the extra after making such an outlay pre-season. Don't get me wrong, when I've been a season ticket holder I've never actually done that, but I've never had a season ticket when money hasn't been an issue. If I wasn't getting married in September I'd have bought next season's already but instead I'll wait until the season after, but from October onwards I can't see me missing a game at home under any circumstances other than family shizzle or work.
No it doesn't, not in the slightest. I'll put it in a different context, to see if that helps. You've paid for a ticket to a band's concert a couple of months ago. All of a sudden, an opportunity to go watch the same band, with the same supporting artists, at the same location, comes up. Would you really pay the added £30 to go and watch that, knowing you have the same ticket for another time? I'd say not. Obviously this is a different scenario, but say you're a frequenter to concerts, and you spend a lot of money going to watch concerts, then you're in a similar situation.
Exactly. Especially if you're team was playing poorly. Only the die hard season ticket holders, and others who may have nothing else to do, or whatever, would pay the extra.
If the FA Cup is first rate then why have we had some of the finals we've had in recent years and why do teams frequently play weakened sides?
I know a lot of lads who use cup weekends as "free" weekends, go out with the other halves and kids, family shit, unless it's a good draw.