25-man Kangaroos Four Nations Squad

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by Cribbage, Aug 19, 2010.

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  1. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Tate plays for the Warriors; they're in the eight...
     
    Cribbage, Aug 20, 2010
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  2. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yeah I wasn't trying to have a guess at a team as much as just seeing what it'd look like at full strength.

    And Dugan is never better than Hayne. :p
     
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    Cribbage, Aug 20, 2010
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  3. Cribbage RG Cribb

    He's become a bit that way as he's got older in rep footy, but in his prime he was ****ing awesome. I remember going to an Origin game where he was far and away the best player on the field.
     
    Cribbage, Aug 20, 2010
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  4. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    You say Gallen's best is a lot better than Harrison's - In what sphere and and what level are you speaking? It must be club, as Harrison has not yet played Test football and Origin is quite the opposite as you would probably agree.

    A bigger pack? 8.Civoniceva, 10.Scott, 11.Thaiday, 12.Myles, 13.???, 15.Shillington, 16.Hannant/TLL/Weyman. How much bigger do you want? Myles, and to a lesser degree, Thaiday, can play as props and often do. And I'd even have Mason on the bench.

    Harrison transfers to Origin better than Gallen and has not yet been tried in Test football so the evidence is against your speculative position, IMO.

    I think this undermines your position ans shows quite clearly, that you value club football to highly - Higher than Origin.
     
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    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  5. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Brain freeze. My bad.:wallbash:
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  6. Cribbage RG Cribb


    Nah you're misrepresenting my point. Origin means a lot more than club football when picking Test teams - but Test football means more than both. Gallen has shown that he can transfer his club performances to Test level (IMO). Even if Harrison did transfer his club and Origin performances to Test level, they still wouldn't match what Gallen's shown he can do at Test level. If I was picking an Origin team, I'd pick Harrison and if Gallen had never played Test football, I'd pick Harrison ahead of in Tests too.. but Gallen has shown (IMO) that despite not being able to transfer his club performances to Origin (so far), he's transferred them to Test football just fine. As you said, it's a lower standard, and it's not a standard he gets found out in.

    The crux of the matter is - I think Gallen's performances at Test level supersede the best case scenario we'd get from picking Harrison there. I'm not speculating on what Gallen would do at Test level, because he's already done it. If he'd never played a Test and not shown that his club performances transfer to Tests, I'd pick Harrison ahead of him - but he has. Even if Harrison transferred his Origin/club performances to Test level, I think what Gallen is going at Test level at the moment is of more value.

    Kite hasn't played any Tests since his decline as a player - I'm pretty confident he'd be a lot less effective these days, hence I did not pick him. If he'd been playing Tests consistently and still performing (like Gallen) he'd be in my squad, but he hasn't. And again, unlike Gallen, his performances at club level have taken a noticeable decline.
     
    Cribbage, Aug 20, 2010
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  7. Julian BJ Taylor

    He takes easy hit ups. He runs away from big men obviously. And that's just at NRL level over the past 2 seasons IMO. Think he officially retired from rep footy at a pretty good time.
     
    Julian, Aug 20, 2010
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  8. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yeah you might be right. Sometimes I have trouble letting go of players who used to be awesome.
     
    Cribbage, Aug 20, 2010
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  9. Julian BJ Taylor

    No doubt Bailey used to be awesome. And he's still an ok player compared to some. But he's declined most out of pretty much all the forwards I notice in the NRL.
     
    Julian, Aug 20, 2010
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  10. Speirz DG Speirs

    I can't really see too many changes from that tbh. Myles and Hannant in for Watmough and Perry. Thurston in for Cronk if he's fit.
     
    Speirz, Aug 20, 2010
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  11. Julian BJ Taylor

    Joel Thompson was unlucky with that injury. Would have been in the PM's team IMO.
     
    Julian, Aug 20, 2010
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  12. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Then I assume you want Watmough and Laffranchi in the Test team before Harrison, also? If not, then at what point does this hard line Test history methodology become secondary? Apparently the "decline as a player" which, incidentally, is not a result of inferior or weaker Test performances, as you adumbrate below.

    This basically translates to, because the ARL haven't picked him for a while.:huh:

    You care more about club footy than Origin, IMO. The long spaces between drinks concerns you. This is evident when you will advocate a player like Tuqiri for Origin based on a dozen or so club games, and yet no doubt also, but to a lesser degree, because of his previous Origin performances.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  13. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    QLD could win 10 series in a row and NSW will still always dominate the backrow and bench. The perception about NSW's backrowers is utterly groundless.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  14. Colesy BL Hornby

    Nah, im just not gonna sit here and argue black and white with a shit **** like you.
     
    Colesy, Aug 20, 2010
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  15. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Soft ****. Soft ****. Soft ****. :laughing:
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  16. Colesy BL Hornby

    And i'm the insecure one?
     
    Colesy, Aug 20, 2010
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  17. Speirz DG Speirs

    1. Slater
    2. Morris
    3. Inglis
    4. Lyon
    5. Boyd
    6. Lockyer
    7. Cronk
    8. Scott
    9. Smith
    10. Civoniceva
    11. Thaiday
    12. Gallen
    13. Harrison

    14. Gidley
    15. Shillington
    16. Myles
    17. Weyman/Hannant (I think they'd do just as good of a job as each other)

    That's about what I'd pick vs NZ, ftr. Against the Brits I'd definitely have Lewis in there instead of Weyman/Hannant, and I'd probably start him as well.
     
    Speirz, Aug 20, 2010
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  18. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    You're the one running away from an argument. Juxtaposing my opinion and yours is akin to arguing black is white?

    :laughing:...FMD.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  19. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I fail to see why you would pick Storm and other non-finals players but not Thurston.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Aug 20, 2010
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  20. Speirz DG Speirs

    I don't think he'll be 100% fit tbh. If he is he'd obviously be there.
     
    Speirz, Aug 20, 2010
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