2017 State of Origin

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by KimmorleyKiller, Jun 22, 2016.

  1. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    There were some really poor moments for Maloney as well though. After getting back to 16-10 in Game 2, last tackle on Qld's 30, Maloney throws an inside pass to Bird who is set upon straight away and tackled. Concedes field position through a terrible option, Qld go straight back up the other end and score. Stuff like this doesn't get remembered or highlighted but it's so crucial. Such a Mitchell Pearce play. Just no sense of the context of the situation.

    He had a few bad moments like this throughout the series.

    Five to go, down by 10, inside QLD's 20, Maloney goes to the line and passes into the hip of the decoy. Just kills the attack.
     
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  2. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

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    U20's.

    NSW also flogged us 26-0 in the 18's this year.

    And yet...

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    Something's going very wrong in the development process. How are NSW dominating every grade but in the one that actually matters?
     
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  3. Magic AJ Parker

    Qld haven't done any recruitment yet at the Jnr Rep stage.

    The junior teams are made up of actual Qlders.
     
  4. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    lol such lemonz...
     
  5. Cribbage RG Cribb

    A couple of things come to mind immediately, aside from Magic's trolling.

    1. Under 20s games are a much greater test of depth because the vast majority of players under 17 aren't up to it yet; there's a steep curve after you hit 17. You need to fill in entire teams with players born essentially within 18 months of each other.. and given NSW have a bigger player pool, this gives them an advantage here that they don't have in open-age Origin where you get players who span in age by 10 years or so.

    2. I don't think that's a great comparison really because the kids who played in all those Under 20s wins aren't old enough to be established first graders yet in most cases. It might just be that our next crop of kids is just better than our last few crops.. or that Queensland's recent crops aren't as good as their previous ones. It'll be a better comparison when we can compare 2012 Under 20s Origin to.. lets say 2020 open-age Origin.
     
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  6. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Mm. That seems fairly logical. On the other hand there's never not been a period where NSW have dominated the lower grades. Even Thurston and Smith's time.

    Incidentally any of the 2012-13 crop who were gonna make it as first graders probably already have. Lee, Sims, Cordner, Klemmer, Boyd, Stockwell, Lichaa, Evans, Napa, Oates, Mbye, Grevsmuhl, Maranta, Walker, Brooks, Trbojevic, Milford etc. But yeah it's too early for that crop to have infiltrated Origin yet.
     
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  7. Julian BJ Taylor

    Honestly forgot Morris he'd actually be in for Mansour.
     
  8. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    Hodkinson is a far more reliable player than Maloney, not to mention the fact he can actually construct a set.
     
  9. Wilson SB Wilson

    lel.
     
  10. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Aside from his try in 2014, I struggle to think of anything Hodkinson has done in the last two years that merit him even being in the conversation. Yeah he's a solid enough FG halfback. Is he likely to be the one who comes up trumps when they roll the dice again? Nah.
     
  11. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I'm really not as understanding or compassionate towards Maloney and Reynolds as some are though. They were gifted more opportunities through field position in this series than any other in the last 10 years. The Blues pack, to varying degrees, outplayed QLD's in all 3 matches. And they still struggled just as much for points. Maloney may have offered more than Carney, Pearce, Hodkinson and the rest but it roughly correlates with the superior field position imo.
     
  12. Magic AJ Parker

    He's reliably mediocre.

    I think the description you're looking for is that he isn't a liability. Its really not that admirable or diserable in a half though.
     
  13. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    It is that obvious of a selection I don't need to make an argument. You not picking Oates is just insanity.
     
  14. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Nah, it's a perfectly defensible selection and I would argue a more logical one. You could've made a reasonable counter highlighting what you think are the justifications for your opinion, as EWS did (though his position is slightly different to your absolutist one). Instead by refusing to argue the position you resort to assertions of the self-evident and once again come off as the biased Broncos fan that you self-evidently ​are. You are the Brisbane equivalent of Nadyone.
     
  15. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    No. 1 reason I'd be picking Oates is because of the penetration he has running out of our own end.

    I'd be going with the same 1-7, with Chambers in for O'Neill.
     
  16. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Mm. He's a very good ball runner coming out of trouble. He was stellar for us in Game 3 from our own end.

    Boyd's come out and said he would happily vacate fullback for Slater and clearly Kevvie wants Billy in camp. We just have to wait and see how he returns. But if he does return and gets back in the QLD side, there's no way Walters will drop Gagai to play Boyd or Oates out of position. And I'm glad for that.
     
  17. Magic AJ Parker

    Yeh with Qld's pack undoubtedly on the decline I'm not convinced QLD can afford to not pick Oates.

    Only Dane Gagai ran for more metres than him in the series and their forward with the most running metres for the series (Parker) is retiring.
     
  18. Cribbage RG Cribb

    I don't see any reason to suggest Boyd would be less effective on the right wing than the left wing. The fact that he spends most of his time playing fullback anyway and that it hasn't affected him when he's gone back to the wing suggests to me that he'd handle it fine.

    While some players are pretty limited and develop habits that restrict them to one side, Boyd is far less technically limited than most wingers anyway, so I think he'd be absolutely fine. Given he struggles passing left to right it might even suit him slightly more. His preference for the left definitely isn't justification enough for not picking your next best winger IMO.
     
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  19. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Why would playing fullback and then going back to left wing suggest he would go fine on the right? I mean I agree that he'd probably handle it but I don't see what one has to do with the other. Passing is virtually irrelevant. It's positional play in defence.

    That unknown is definitely grounds for not risking it especially when Gagai played as well as he did on the right. But we obviously disagree on the gap between him and Oates.
     
  20. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    It is when you're other likely options are liabilities though. I'd be surrounding him with talent/game winners and just want him to do a job, let the Moylans/Austin/Tedescos/Peacheys/Cartwrights/Farahs/etc spark something and have a level head, rather than outright liability in Pearce, Reynolds or just about any other option. When we've got a better option for the 7, then by all means throw them in there, at the moment we don't.

    The other player I'd put there for similar reasons is Sezer, but Hodkinson has the experience, which puts him just ahead for me.
     
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