Aboriginals vs Irish

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god fucking damn it i could go back 5 generations and find myself a coon too.

means nothing.

 

I'm Irish. My father was born in Victoria though which I didn't know until a year or two ago and his father was fully Australian going back as far as they could find.

tl;dr victorian blood umad?

so yeah given I've got one line of ancestral australianism I'm sure there's 1/128th aborignal in there somewhere.

get fucking mousey into this team he qualifies.

 

I was born there and most of my roots are from there stop baiting me cunt and stop derailing the thread urgh.

 

Explain to me how it's silly.

 

So by that logic the children of teachers in aborginal communities who grow up in and part of these cultures too should be allowed to represent this team?

It's a lineage thing, not a culture thing.

and yes i know this is a shit point and not one I subscribe too but it does indicate that 'blood' matters.

I really fucking doubt walker/griffen grew up in anything but white society. I'll check it though.

I'll happily recant if it's a cultural upbringing thing but I doubt it. I've seen so many white people claim this whole 1/32 aboriginal thing as they get so many economic/social benefits for it. So I don't like it.

 

All I'm for is equality. I'm sick of indigenous people being put on a pedestal and being given far more handouts and opportunity than everyone else just because we invaded their lands 300 years ago. If people make the argument that they're inherently socially worse off by birth then why don't we go into fucking broadmeadows and give handouts to the kids there? Fact of the matter is an indigenous person is entitled to more in this country because the majority of australians are pseudo-moral supremacists who believe that the best way to ensure equality is to overcompensate minorities.

You'll find I have the same view on a lot of womens issues - yet I'd still describe myself as a feminist. I don't think the best way to equality is to further highlight and appreciate difference, as well as compensate it. The best way to equality is for everyone to have the same rights and opportunity, and I'm sorry - but if we're going down the lines of 'birth gives you less opportunity' then apply it to more than just indigenous australians.

It means fuck all but I've been four times to indigenous communities most people can't get access to. I still communicate with a lot of these people. By no means does that mean I'm 'automatically pro-inclusion' or anything - but I'm hardly racist; I believe these people are fantastic people with buckets of potential if fostered correctly however currently it's not. I'm pro equality - the same as you, I'd say. I just believe it to be achievable in other ways that probably aren't considered as progressive as most people of this age bracket.

I do concede I was overly ruthless and aggressive in post 26 - so I'll recant that. But the general message of both points I think applies. Why should indigenous australians be put on a pedestal and get to selectively represent the country? There's no way anglo saxons would be given that right.

That's not equal. That's my point.

 

yeah wrap it up champ. I'm sure I'm coming across as the biggest cunt out but promoting genuine exclusion and racism isn't what any of this is about.

 

But the problem is, these same issues apply in low socioeconomic areas and they're compensated no more. They've been brought up in generation after generation of poverty and alcohol abuse. Their friends and colleagues if they work are in the same boat - and they don't get compensated. These issues aren't restricted to indigenous australians yet for some reason they matter more.

As I said - I understand that to ensure equal opportunity extra money may need to be routed to these people. But to avoid inequality, those communities of anglo-saxons in the same boat should be entitled to this too, and unfortunately that's financially not only crippling but bordering on elements of communism. It's also harder to judge which anglo-saxons are in this boat - for some reason, that issue need not apply for indigenous australians, the powers that be have just decided that 'yeah, you're indigenous, we don't need to judge if you're x or y, based on race you can just have this' as it's the quickest and easiest way to do it.

I also completely object to the cash handouts that currently occur as cash doesn't bring equality, employment and skills do.

Would the AFL ever allow the team that verses the indigenous allstarts to represent australia (the 'best of the rest' or whatever?) - nope. They wouldn't. That'd be called racist by 90% of australia.