2014 State of Origin

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by KimmorleyKiller, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. Benny BS Read

    Bird Bird Bird is the word.
     
  2. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Far too much? You have fuck all creativity with Pearce in there. Even with Hayne, who has struggled to create anything from fullback for NSW, you'll still struggle for points IMO.

    Picking Hayne at fullback is a must, why? Precisely because of the halves.
     
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  3. Magic AJ Parker

    And if you can name an eligible NSW halves pairing that makes that not the case then I'll admit to being wrong.

    Until that point selecting Hayne @ fullback is a far bigger issue than who the halves will be imo.
     
  4. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    If both Carney and Mullen were fit, picking Hayne at fullback would not be a must. In fact I think you'd be better off picking Stewart and playing Hayne at centre. You can pick have Graham Langlands at fullback and it still won't mean shit if your halves are Pearce/Maloney or Pearce/Reynolds.

    Hayne is only a must because of your shitty halfback.
     
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  5. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    If you'd said there's been too much fuss about the half combination when 50% of it is, and has been for quite some time, decided, then fair enough. I'd acquiesce. But apart from that, no way. The halves pairing is far more important than who plays fullback. NSW have lost a lot more games because of their halves than their fullback. Maloney and especially Pearce were just as much if not more responsible for the loss in Game 3 last year than Dugan was.
     
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  6. Magic AJ Parker

    Carney hasn't been fit for 3 & a half years & Mullen's ability to provide points especially since he put his running game in his back pocket is massively overstated here.

    There's a bunch of halves all of about the same standing in competition for two spots. There's no halves combination currently possible that doesn't need to be substituted with the class of Jaryd Hayne afaic.

    You say it doesn't matter so long as we continue to pick shit halves but Game 1 already proved that to be incorrect last year, had he stayed fit who knows what game 3 would've looked like... after all it was 2 tries a piece with Dugan blowing numerous half chances. As long as Meninga continues to fuck up the QLD forward pack we're a chance but only if we've got Jaryd Hayne. Not picking the right halves combo will have far less affect on the result than not picking the right fullback, ergo far too much fuss has been made about the halves when there's a far more important selection at fullback IMO.
     
  7. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Nobody's saying they'd be Sterling/Kenny but by the same token no serious person can suggest there isn't a hell of a lot more creativity than a Pearce/Maloney, Pearce/Reynolds combination.

    Fair enough. I disagree and if we're talking overstatements we ought to bear in mind that Hayne has created nothing in his three games there.

    How did it disprove my contention? You think Hayne was the difference between winning and losing? A good performance from a bad one?

    If a frog had wings. I'm not going to get into speculations about what would've happened had he played. Personally, I think Gallen was a bigger loss. I'm certainly not going to get in the position of defending Josh Dugan. I could just as easily say NSW might've won had Stewart played.

    And as I said before, half the reason you need Hayne at the back in the first place is because you're going to have muppet halves who can't create shit. So whatever importance you assign to the fullback selection, a significant portion of it is attributable to the halves.

    Look I think Hayne needs to be there too but the way some of you carry on about it you'd think he'd already actually produced the sort of performances of which his demonstrated ability at club level seems to portend. And he just hasn't. He's played 3 games and he hasn't been the difference in any of them. He hasn't created anything in them.
     
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  8. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    No one was was more responsible for the loss in game 3 than Pearce.
     
  9. Hunter AD Hunt

    I reckon Pearce would be half decent if Hayne, Mullen and Farah filled in the rest of the spine.
     
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  12. Old Mate M Perry

    Whoever did that is a legend. :ninja:

    The Passenger.
     
  13. Wilson SB Wilson

    Richards on the wing would be a boss selection. I really hope it happens.

    It's only a small advantage but his kick offs will be quite useful in origin.
     
  14. Julian BJ Taylor

    I don't think you can be 'one of the most mediocre'.

    Makes no sense at all.
     
  15. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    If I were picking the NSW side; considering injuries to the likes of Carney and Sims:

    1. Hayne
    2. Richards
    3. Jennings
    4. Idris
    5. Morris
    6. Mullen
    7. Roberts
    8. Tamou
    9. Farah
    10. Gallen (c)
    11. Bird
    12. Cordner
    13. Merrin

    14. Gidley
    15. Fifita
    16. Watmough
    17. Williams

    On the more controversial picks:
    Roberts: Seeing Carney is hurt; and the rest of the halves picks are either 1 dimensional or simply proven failures. Roberts is a solid half who would feel comfortable when paired with Mullen/Gidley.
    Williams: I'd only play him in 2-3 short stints to try and take advantage of his powerful running game. I think he could jag a try/attract enough defence to create advantages elsewhere while on the field to make him worth being picked.
    Fifita/only 1 prop on the bench: Between him, Gallen, Tamou, Merrin, Watmough and even Cordner and Bird; they'll have 7 blokes who can plug a hole in the middle third.
     
  16. Jabba HJ Bots

    Dugan
    Richards
    Morris
    Hayne
    Morris
    Mullen
    Pearce
    Tamou
    Farah
    Gallen
    Bird
    Hoffman
    Merrin

    Gidley
    Fifita
    Woods
    Cordner

    Is what I reckon will be selected
     
  17. Julian BJ Taylor

    backrow will be

    bird
    Cordner
    Merrin/gallen

    watmough

    they won't drop watmough.
     
  18. Julian BJ Taylor

    I'd pick something a bit different

    Hayne
    McManus
    Idris
    Jennings
    Richards
    Mullen
    Gidley
    Gallen
    Farah
    Tolman
    Bird
    Cordner
    Merrin

    Reynolds/Mccrone
    Watmough
    Fifita
    Vaughan

    The Morris twins, Dugan, Pearce, Woods and Tamou will all be there though.
     
  19. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    I wouldn't mess with the Gidley factor off the bench tbh. It is the best thing your side has going for them. The injection of a dynamic bench hooker is the only area where QLD don't have you covered imo.
     
  20. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    Tolman lacks the grunt to be a front rower at origin level IMO. Need to look for quality over quantity, I think he'd get belted in the early exchanges and probably isnt going to be needed for the 60 odd minutes he gets in first grade given Merrin and Gallen are there. You're basically picking a guy for 40 odd minutes (if that with that bench) of footy up the guts and there's better options available.
     
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