Sixth South African team will be introduced in 2016

Discussion in 'Rugby Union Discussion' started by MrPrez, Sep 4, 2013.

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  1. MrPrez CM Dyer

    That's what I was implying with my post - that he was posting irrelevant, incomprehensible bullshit ffs.
     
    MrPrez, Sep 6, 2013
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  2. PaulFromOz PF Oz

    Stick to the topic cunt.
     
    PaulFromOz, Sep 6, 2013
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  3. weldone RM Chowdhuri

    Stick to the topic guys. Why is a 7th South African team not needed?
     
    weldone, Sep 6, 2013
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  4. Arheiner SIA Yates

    Because with 5 teams, they can barely manage 4 competitive teams. Any more is pointless. 6 is is at least one too many as it is.
     
    Arheiner, Sep 6, 2013
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  5. weldone RM Chowdhuri

    Thank you for taking my knowledge on Rugby seriously. (just checked the sub-forum name now to confirm it's not about Aussie Rules :kid: )
     
    weldone, Sep 7, 2013
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  6. Killface F van der Westhuizen

    South Africa has the players, the stadiums and the fans for 7 teams of Super Rugby strength.

    To make it work, they'd need better coaches, and most importantly, a draft system like the kiwi sides have to make the squads more balanced. As it is, many Sharks and Bulls youngsters don't make their sides match day squad, but they'd start every game at the Lions or Kings...
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2014
    Killface, Mar 28, 2014
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  7. Starris ER Starris

    You need to ask that question?


    Lets have the super 30!
     
    Starris, Mar 28, 2014
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  8. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Super 25 strength, not Super 12 strength. Super Rugby was at its best when there were less teams and standard was less diluted. Plus, at that time the teams actually represented a province or region rather than the shitty franchise pap we have now. Sure, a few players missed out in the strongest Regions, but if they were good enough, they would have made it into the starting XV on their own merit.

    Super Rugby is a growing joke. I'd much rather watch the NPC or even the Currie Cup.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Mar 28, 2014
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  9. Jabba HJ Bots


    Super rugby is a fucking joke. Possibly the WORST run major sporting competition in the world.

    You never hear people complain about the EPL,Champions League,NBA,NFL,NHL or MLB as much as you do people with Super Rugby.


    I've said it a thousand times a round robin tournament like this is a waste of time because people simply don't give a fuck about half the teams and they should just model the champions league. Top 2 teams from each domestic competition in SA,AUS and NZ + 1 team from argentina and 1 from Japan. Go into pools of 4, home and away with top 2 advancing to semi finals which are H + A aswell with a one off final at a predetermined venue like the CL.
     
    Jabba, Mar 28, 2014
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  10. Hurricane JD Hurricane

    Your proposal would be cool.

    However @both you and Heef. Super Rugby gives peeps like Robbie Robinson (don't point out to me his isn't playing at the moment) a chance to play at near test match level intensity.

    The gap between super rugby and tests is only 30% higher.

    While the gap between NPC and test is 200%.
     
    Hurricane, Mar 28, 2014
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  11. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    The gap was about 30% higher when it was the Super 12.

    That gap has got a darn sight bigger now. The intensity is nowhere near as high as it was 6 years ago. A host of mediocre players turn out for each franchise and the game is much the worse for it.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Mar 28, 2014
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  12. Arheiner SIA Yates

    Would you say the NZ franchises have got worse over this period too?
     
    Arheiner, Mar 28, 2014
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  13. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Yes - because guys that should be playing for the NZ franchises have filled spots in the Force and Rebels line-ups. Plus, more players than the past head over to Japan for the $$$. I suspect it's similar numbers heading to Europe as in the past, but players of Kaino or Ellison's calibre wouldn't have gone to Japan as a first stop in the past as much.
     
    HeathDavisSpeed, Mar 28, 2014
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  14. Jabba HJ Bots

    No way is the gap 30%, if the NPC gap is 200%

    Look at all our mediocre tight 5 players who would struggle to get a gig for Scotland. Not to mention the downsides of MOST s15 players games atm seem to be defense and being as clinical and cut throat as possible which just so happens to be the some of the biggest things you look for in a future test player....


    Test rugby is atleast 50% more then super 15 level and NPC is less than 50% off of being super 15 level.

    Much more people can make the step up from NPC to super 15 then super 15 to test level. I'd say it'd probably be around 20:1 aswell.......
     
    Jabba, Mar 28, 2014
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  15. Julian BJ Taylor

    What sort of wages are players on in Super Rugby?

    I'm surprised the Australian franchises haven't really upped the poaching of NRL players considering reserve and fringe first graders have crossed over and been dominant first teamers more oft than not.

    Every year this starts 3 weeks or so before rugby league and I think I'll get into it but I just can't. The competition is way too big and honestly no-one cares in Australia.

    I've read they're starting up another ARC to mirror the NZ and RSA comps. Watch it die a slow and painful death. They'll have crowds of 5k maximum and run at a substantial loss AGAIN.
     
    Julian, Mar 28, 2014
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  16. Droos JP Rhodes

    Expanding the tournament further is a shit idea to start with and dividing it into conferences even worse. Super rugby was best as Super 14 and when everyone still played everyone in a season.
     
    Droos, Mar 28, 2014
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  17. Jabba HJ Bots

    You realise super 14 was still shit? You can't put teams of different skill levels in a rugby tournament because of how much of a team game it is. Star players don't drive revenue like they can in football,nfl,Ice hockey or basketball., it's all about the closeness of the match because individual statistical output is hard to measure. You can't go to a rugby game expecting dan carter to run 100meters because it's not how it works but you could go to a basketball game just to witness Kobe score 30 ridiculous points.

    That's where rugby has gone wrong.
     
    Jabba, Mar 28, 2014
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  18. Killface F van der Westhuizen

    Have to disagree.
    Nostalgia can be misleading, the current SA teams would hammer the SA teams of 10 years ago.
    Absolutely no doubt about that.
    Even the Kings won a few matches, can't say that about the 2002 Bulls.

    South African rugby is fundamentally different to NZ and Australian rugby. There are literally hundreds more players in additional tiers of pro and semi-pro rugby. Comparing an additional SA Super Rugby franchise to another one from the other two is ludicrous: kiwis barely support the teams they do have, crowd figures are appalling and Australia does not have the players, they're already filling up the teams they do have with foreigners...

    SA rugby would not be diluting it's current teams by adding the Kings and Pumas, they're already independent pro teams with large home grounds (2010 Football World Cup grounds), tens of thousands of supporters that go to Vodacom and Currie Cup games, and entire squads of players that are not currently involved in Super Rugby.

    That's the reality.
     
    Killface, Mar 30, 2014
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  19. MrPrez CM Dyer

    Yeah, I don't feel people understand the dynamic rugby holds in South Africa. Rugby is directly to South Africans as American Football is to Americans. The top rugby players in schools are demi-gods. I'd go so far as to say that school rugby is more keenly followed than franchise cricket (T20 excluded).

    Likewise, the top SA rugby teams have huge scouting networks that move top rugby players out of their schools and into schools in the province of the team. I've had numerous mates be picked out of local Eastern Cape schools, into Durban schools, and offered spots in the Sharks Academy once they matriculate.

    Beyond this, weekend school matches (keenly referred to as "Derby Days") garner huge crowds. Again, using my old school as an example, literally thousands of people - both connected to the school directly, and otherwise - attend these events, and the more serious schools dedicate periods in the timetable purely for warcry-practicing.

    There really should be a huge gap between SA teams and other teams.
     
    MrPrez, Mar 30, 2014
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  20. Cribbage RG Cribb

    It definitely seems like there are too many Australian teams. Australia does well at developing the rugby players it has from pretty limited interest and a pretty small talent pool, but there's a difference between having a strong national side and deserving, needing or even gaining at all from having more top-flight domestic sides.

    Some good arguments put forward for expanding the South African quota. but politics in the end. The ARU and NZRU aren't going to agree to it just because it's right or just; they'll want to get something out of it.
     
    Cribbage, Mar 30, 2014
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