The Transfer Thread (Rumours and Confirmed)

Discussion in 'Association Football Discussion' started by DFC-Lee, May 11, 2010.

  1. Eds E Ames

    GF, you think Tottenham have better depth in midfielders. Do you think Arsenal have better depth in strikers? Do you think they have better depth in goalkeepers? Do you think they more depth in CB? Full-backs I can perhaps agree with but that's it.

    I'm actually amazed you think Arsenal have more depth. Genuinely amazed.
     
  2. Furball G Furball

    Spurs were a one-man band last season. That one man now plays his football at Real Madrid.

    They've also signed a shitload of players from abroad who will need time to settle into the Premier League, settle into playing with their team-mates and settle into life in England. That's not the optimal strategy for making an improvement over one season.

    Also, who are these Spurs starting XI players that are better than Arsenal's? Lloris, Vertonghen and Dembele are the only 3 that would stand a chance of getting into Arsenal's first XI. Sagna, Gibbs, Koscielny, Wilshere, Walcott, Özil and Cazorla would stroll into Spurs' first XI, even with the £100m worth of new players signed this summer. And that's before we look at the difference between the managers...

    You're also ignoring the weekend's game between the sides where a) Arsenal were carrying a lot of injuries to key players and b) Lloris saved Spurs from a doing.

    Arsenal will not finish below Spurs this season.
     
  3. Cabinet96 OTN Wood

    The market could have gone better for Arsenal no doubt, but it didn't exactly go badly by any means, and given the state it was in 24 hours ago, it's gone as well as anyone could have possibly imagined today. The club finished in the top four last season, not by a massive margin obviously, but they still did it. This is the first season in a while where a key player, or even key squad member, hasn't left. You'd obviously expect the same core of the team, which did OK last season, to improve due to its average age and the fact that they'll be playing more and more with each other as time goes on. Add to that, a solid defensive midfield option who has premier league experience and previous connections to the club, a back up goalkeeper and a world class playmaker who will fit into the style of play effectively and create the ripple effect amongst the rest of the team that transfers of that magnitude do, and you'd say it's a decent window.

    And then there's obviously the statement and effect that comes from such singings. And lets be honest, this isn't the sort of singing one expects for Arsenal. The thought of a player going from being a key man at Real Madrid to Arsenal has been unthinkable these last few seasons as we've had to scrap into the Champions League each year and never had even a remote glance at the title. Ozil going to Arsenal suddenly changes a lot of perceptions about the club and can even help them get players of similar calibre in the future, something that many didn't think was possible given the state Arsenal are in.
     
  4. Furball G Furball

    Giroud-Walcott-Podolski-Sanogo is much better depth than Soldado-Defoe.

    Koscielny-Mertesacker-Vermaelen-Sagna is at least equivelant to Vertonghen-Kaboul-Dawson-Romanian geezer. Particularly as Kaboul and Dawson are rubbish.
     
  5. Baxter MJ Deane

    The whole 'Arsenal need CBs and a CDM' is just lazy stereotyping. It was true a few seasons ago when the weaknesses in the squad were easy for everybody to see but that just isn't the case now.

    The best Arsenal starting XI is of pretty similar quality overall with Cazorla (and now Oezil) the only truly amazeballs players but at the same time there's no glaring deficiencies either. Mertesacker is unpopular but he's fucking brilliant and there's a reason Arsenal fans absolutely love him. Vermaelen as 3rd choice is adequate.
    Arteta 'isn't a holding midfielder' I hear you cry, well if he isn't, he does a bloody good job of pretending to be one. It's an area I would have loved a quality backup option but Flamini showed on Sunday why he's an intelligent pick up. It was borne of a marriage of convenience but he does add some grit, experience and steel to the squad and adequate cover there.
    For me, following the injuries to OX and Podolski, an attacking midfielder would have been nice. Santi plays some brilliant stuff while out on the wide left and Jack is too one-footed and short of pace to play as the #10 IMHO so Oezil fits like a dream there.

    I will agree that a striker was of huge importance this window though and it's no secret we were after one. I've no issue with Giroud, I think he's quality and I've defended him throughout. I think this season he'll prove so many people wrong but it's the options beside him that I have a problem with. If he gets injured then it'll be Theo up top IMO and a rejig in behind which is not ideal.

    Also, Veri's criticisms of Rosicky are just so zzzzz.
     
  6. Baxter MJ Deane

    I just can't believe we've signed one of the best players in the world.

    So much for refusing to spend.
    So much for not being able to compete.
    So much for not being an attractive club.
    So much for only signing players that nobody else is interested in.

    We just signed Mesut fucking Oezil.
     
  7. Cabinet96 OTN Wood

    I also don't fully agree that it's not what we needed. There were positions where a world class player would have been more useful, but a world class players was exactly what we needed, regardless of where they played. We were pretty good against the weaker teams in the Prem last year, and despite the usual concerns about the defence, it wasn't that bad last season. We just lacked that brilliant player to take a big game, against a strong club, by the scruff of it's neck and win it for us, which is what Van Persie managed to do the year before. Özil's signature could give us that this season.

    Edit: Marcuss sums it up well in his post.
     
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  8. Furball G Furball

    lolwut
     
  9. Baxter MJ Deane

    I just struggle to believe anybody could have watched our three league games this season and decided that a creative midfielder was so much less important than a CDM/CB.
     
  10. Baxter MJ Deane

    Jack's been struggling a bit at the start of this season.

    The one-footed comment is slightly off though. I do think the difference between our play when Jack plays there rather than Santi is night and day as JW always favours his left but the same issue will exist with Oezil.

    It's why I genuinely think Rosicky is a better option there at times. Keeps our play so much more fluid.
     
  11. Uppercut CB Faldo

    Kaboul's good, he's just been injured for a long time. I'd also say that when Soldado was at Valencia you'd have been laughed at for saying Giroud is better than him. They also have Adebayor up top. I know he's a hate figure but it's only been one season since he was a very good player.

    Arsenal's squad still seems unnecessarily thin to me but unless something goes badly wrong with injuries I do expect them to finish ahead of Spurs. Almost all of their players have been playing together for a year, that's a big advantage. I'm not willing to write off Liverpool for fourth just because they're Liverpool. They've been really tight this past few games, Lucas fit again makes a huge difference, and they still have Suarez to come back.
     
  12. Eds E Ames

    Irrelevant.

    I agree, it's not ideal. But it's certainly not a problem.

    :lol:

    Lloris, Vertonghen, Sandro, Paulinho, Capoue, Dembele, Lamela, Soldado all easily make Arsenal's XI. I don't see how you can even argue how any of them wouldn't make it apart form perhaps Vertonghen if you really wanted to push the difference between LCB and RCB as Koscielny is probably the better defender. The rest all easily make it into Arsenal's team. I'd consider Defoe over Giroud too.

    Please refer to:

    Arsenal will not finish below Spurs this season.[/QUOTE]

    Avatar bet?
     
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  13. Furball G Furball

    The logic that says Özil isn't really needed also says Man Utd didn't need to sign van Persie last summer. Which is absolute rubbish.

    If the opportunity to sign a better player than the ones you've got presents itself, you take it.
     
  14. Furball G Furball

    What formation are you planning on playing?

    And name your avatar terms.
     
  15. Arheiner SIA Yates

    Somehow I don't think anyone was arguing that Oezil was a bad buy GF...
     
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  16. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    So wtf is happening with Coentrao...?

    Holding off on the :fap: until I see him in a United shirt.
     
  17. Eds E Ames

    Stick with Arsenal's 4-2-3-1/4-3-3/whatever variation you end up playing.

    Sandro, Paulinho, Dembele and Capoue are all better than whoever you choose to partner Wilshere in the deep midfield two. Lamela is just incredible and I'd probably play him in a fluid trio behind the striker.

    Avatar: from the day positions are confirmed until the first game of the 14/15 season.
     
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  18. Uppercut CB Faldo

    Word on the street is he's not coming.
     
  19. Uppercut CB Faldo

    Instead of Arteta?! I assumed you meant they'd play ahead of Wilshere.
     
  20. Eds E Ames

    Perhaps Dembele or Paulinho would play ahead of Wilshere, although I'm not really in the mood to think about that. The others would definitely play ahead of Arteta.
     
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