How valuable are ruckmen?

Discussion in 'Aussie Rules Football Discussion' started by Mousey, May 9, 2014.

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Is a good ruckman a necessary piece of the premiership puzzle?

  1. Yes, I agree with Skippos, Mousey is a fuckhead

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  2. No, Mousey's right, Skippos is wrong - he's always wrong

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  3. I neither agree nor disagree, most likely because I'm a sheep who can't make his own opinion

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  1. Mousey AJ Son

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-09/the-inquirer-are-ruckmen-valuable


    Something Skippos and I regularly disagree on. I'm of the thinking that unless you have yourself an elite ruckman who can effect the game in both the hitout game and around the ground they're pretty useless and easily replaced/negated. Skippos obviously thinks they're extremely important and a essentially a necessity to win a premiership.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Skippos SM Morgan

    I read that earlier today and was pleasantly surprised. You're 10% more likely to win a game if you win the hitouts to advantage. That's a pretty big increase in chances just due to what the ruckman offers at the tap, let alone around the ground.
     
  3. Skippos SM Morgan

    inb4 everyone votes option 2 because they agree with the latter bit not the point itself such a leading question/answer combo :(
     
  4. Magrat Garlick M Garlick

    Cretan liar paradox coming up
     
  5. Youngman JE Harding

    In todays game your ruckman needs to be able to impact the game on the ground. A pure tap ruckman wont survive in today's game, although I see how valuable it is to have a ruckman putting it down blokes throats
     
  6. MatthewJay TA Miokovic

    Not a necessity, but it goes a long way. Need to judge them on work around the ground as opposed to hit outs more harshly though.

    For example:

    Ruckwork - Maric = Hampson
    Around the ground - Maric >>>>Hampson

    But generally people only bring hit-outs into the convo when judging rucks.
     
  7. Jabba HJ Bots

    I've wonder what percentage of winning hitouts translates to being able to carry someone who does less round the field?

    Can someone who wins 65% of hitouts do 20% less round the field in other aspects then someone who wins 50% of hitouts and be considered more effective?
     
  8. MatthewJay TA Miokovic

    I'd happily sacrifice 15% of Hammer's hit-outs if it meant he did 15% extra around the ground personally.
     
  9. PaulFromOz PF Oz

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